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Several issues with 3.43.14 on Seven x64
Julian


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Hello,

1.) The program Qtracker doesn't work correctly when it's sandboxed. The "Ping" option doesn't work. When you click it nothing happens:

Download Qtracker: http://www.qtracker.com/download.php?file_id=188,280

2.) Several games aren't working sandboxed, for example Counter-Strike Source. I added its executable (hl2.exe) to the forced programmes list and started it normally via Steam. Then this error occurs:

Another example: Left 4 Dead 2 no Steam:


3.) Sandboxed programmes can mess up the network connection (Works on both Seven x32 and x64 but not XP).
Install cFosSpeed on the real system. Then simply start the installer in the sandbox:

Download cFosSpeed: http://www.cfos.de/download/download_e.htm

To other forum users: Please no pointless comments about the L4D2 no Steam version. This is not the issue here. Thanks.

Edit: Of course the drop my rights option was disabled.


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Julian


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Another issue:
When I try to upgrade a foobar2000 installation sandboxed infinite regsvr32.exes are getting started:
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Julian


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Another issue. If I recall it correctly for me this problem didn't exist with build .13:
The IE is unusable, it has problems with graphics:


It's not related to the drop my rights option.
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DarkEnergy


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Julian wrote:
IE is unusable, it has problems
true
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tzuk


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There was a problem with 32-bit registry redirection in earlier versions of Sandboxie 64-bit. Naturally that has a big negative impact on almost every program. It should be fixed in version 3.43.15. Can you re-run these tests and tell me which is still relevant? Thanks.

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Julian


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tzuk wrote:
There was a problem with 32-bit registry redirection in earlier versions of Sandboxie 64-bit. Naturally that has a big negative impact on almost every program. It should be fixed in version 3.43.15. Can you re-run these tests and tell me which is still relevant? Thanks.

1, 2, 3 and the foobar issue are still there with build 15.
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Julian


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A firmware flasher for my DVD burner can change the firmware of it although it is sandboxed:
http://rapidshare.de/files/48999927/NECND352_v307.7z.html

Is this by design?
Of course it doesn't work with drop my rights.
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Imho this issues need to be cross-tested against x32 version, issue 1 is likely to go away there but issues 2,3 might very well still be there... And it's no big news not everything works sandboxed.
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@ Julian, are you sure you have ran the flash prog. sandboxed always? or have you ran it outside before? I think this is pretty serious as it implies low level access was successfully attempted.
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QAZ wrote:
@ Julian, are you sure you have ran the flash prog. sandboxed always? or have you ran it outside before? I think this is pretty serious as it implies low level access was successfully attempted.

The flasher doesn't change anything of Windows. It accesses the burner firmware via direct disk / sector access and doesn't install a driver to achieve this.
BIOS flashers for mainboards are blocked by Sandboxie because they install drivers.

In my opinion Sandboxie should block the firmware flasher because no program should be able to alter the system when it's sandboxed. And here the system even gets altered at a low level.
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Julian wrote:

In my opinion Sandboxie should block the firmware flasher because no program should be able to alter the system when it's sandboxed. And here the system even gets altered at a low level.


+1 couldn't agree more hopefully Tzuk can test this out soon
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I probably can't reproduce this specific thing, because it involves specific DVD hardware. But I will try to access hard disk devices directly, killdisk-style, and see if Sandboxie blocks this access or not.
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If blocked the flasher gives an SPTI error.

Edit: tzuk I'm sure you have a DVD burner too. Smile
And I'm also sure that there must be a firmware flasher for it. Maybe you can try with it?
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Regarding problem #1. Although I haven't tried Qtracker specifically, I did incidentally just fix ping functionality in Vista/Win7, per another problem report:

http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=7066

So you can try version 3.43.16 and see if it at least this problem is fixed. I haven't look at the other problems yet.
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tzuk wrote:

So you can try version 3.43.16 and see if it at least this problem is fixed. I haven't look at the other problems yet.

The situation has changed but not for the better: Now Qtracker crashes when using the ping option.
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